which do u think is more important ?Originally posted by tiggersgd:what do u know abt anti-semitism?
just bcos some jews embraced buddhism does that mean they will not be presecuted?
we are not anti of anybodyOriginally posted by tiggersgd:are you trying to avoid my question?
if you don't know, just ask you don't know. case close.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:we are not anti of anybody![]()
relax broOriginally posted by tiggersgd:if you don't know, just ask you don't know. case close.
Genocides happens every year.Originally posted by tiggersgd:what do u know abt anti-semitism?
just bcos some jews embraced buddhism does that mean they will not be presecuted?
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Do not get the idea of the Jewish convert wrong .
Bernard Glassman (right)--a Jew who has embraced Buddhism--and other members of the Peacemaker Community meditate at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Photo: Peter Cunningham and the Peacemaker Community
[b]One major reason is Buddhism's non-theistic nature. Buddhism says there is no God in any Judaic sense of the word, thereby making it easier for Jewish agnostics and atheists to embrace it without having to undergo a fundamental shift in their theological worldview.
Also making it easier is that Jews and Buddhists have no history of communal conflict, and that the charge of ingrained anti-Semitism has never been leveled against Buddhism.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history_community/Jewish_World_Today/ContemporaryInterfaith/JewishBuddhist.htm[/b]
Buddhism says there is no God in any Judaic sense of the word.explain this pls.
Originally posted by Ito_^:Don't know, but Neutral Onliner's article is refering to Jewish Agnostic/Atheist, not Jewish who follow Judaism. Probably quite a number of Jews are not into Judaism, I guess.
from what i know the jewish community is very close knitted, a little little little bit like muslims. when a jew converts to buddhism, doesn't he sort of go against the jewish religion by denying the existence of a god? in that case, by denying the existence of a god, doesn't it itself an anti-something already?
explain this pls.What is meant is that Buddhists do not believe in a personal God (a Creator with a set of personality/a person) who created the world, the earth, the oceans, etc. It seems that God described in the old testament is very much like a personal God.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Slightly edited from the first topic in our forum regarding Creationism: How the Brahma believed He was God?
In Buddha's days there were many many different teachings, one popular one was Brahmanism. In fact the Brahma was still worshipped nowadays. Brahma was known to be "The Supreme One, the All-mighty, the All-seeing, the Ruler, the Lord of all, the Maker, the Creator, the Chief of All".
In Buddhism, the Mahabrahma resides in the 1st Jhana plane, the first plane among the 8 jhanic planes. There were higher realms above where he lives that he was unaware of, and above it all, beyond the 8 Jhanic planes and all Samsaric planes, is Nirvana. Nevertheless all the devas below the 1st Jhana planes considered him as the Creator God. Buddha did not subscribe to the belief of such a notion that the Universe and its Inhabitants were the Creation of the Mahabrahma. He met with the Brahma, asked him questions which he could not answer. Eventually he has taken refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha.
The Buddha was also known to have said this,
If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why does he order such misfortune
If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why prevail deceit, lies and ignorance
And he such inequity and injustice create?
If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Then an evil master is he, (O Aritta)
Knowing what's right did let wrong prevail!
When the previous universe was destroyed and this universe was formed, the Mahabrahma was first to be reborn. Other subsequent brahmas/devas were to be reborn.
'On this, brethren, the one who was first reborn thinks thus to himself: " I am Brahmà , the Great Brahmà , the Supreme One, the Mighty, the All-seeing, the Ruler, the Lord of all, the Maker, the Creator, the Chief of all, appointing to each his place, the Ancient of days the Father of all that are and are to be. 'These other beings are of my creation. And why is that so? A while ago I thought, 'Would that they might come!' And on my mental aspiration, behold the beings came." DN 1 2:5
In reality, the universe works by the law of Karma and he has no control over the system of karma.
The Venerable Ledi Sayadaw, a highly renowned Myanmar scholar-monk of the first part of this century, gave a careful analysis of the powers of Maha Brahma in his Niyama Dipani (MB pp. 138-39). He states that although Maha Brahma can perform all sorts of transformations, he cannot actually create independent creatures, change the kammic law of cause and effect, or keep anyone from growing old or dying. Brahma can use his special powers to transport a man to the brahma plane for a short visit, but he cannot ensure that someone will be reborn there.
from http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol5no3f.htm:
When he came to know about Sakyamuni Buddha in the human world who speaks of the universal truth, he was curious and arrived at the human world with the intention to debate with the Buddha. The Buddha, with his ability to know another's mind, knew his intention and asked, "You claim to be the creator of the human race and all things in the universe, is this a fact?"
The king replied, "Yes, it is."
Buddha continued to question him, "Since you created life, why did you also create death? Is death created by you too?"
The king paused for while, and thinking that everyone loves life and nobody welcomes death, he replied, "I did not create death."
Buddha asked him again, "All human beings experience sickness, did you create sickness also?" The king knew that nobody likes to be ill, and he replied, "I did not create illness."
Buddha asked many questions in succession, but the king denied that he created them. Eventually, he admitted that he did not create the universe and all things in it, and certainly not the human race. The king of heavens was full of regrets and he felt ashamed. Finally, he accepted Buddha as his teacher and invited Him to spread the Dharma in the heavens.
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http://www.mahindarama.com/e-library/whybuddhism2.html
"To those who talked about the first cause of this world, the Buddha responded by saying that it is impossible to find a first cause since everything is changing, interdependent and conditioned by other things. Something that acts as the cause in the present may become the effect in the future. Later that same effect may again become the cause. Such phenomenon continues ad infinitum. It is called the universal law of Anicca or impermanency.”
However, Buddhism is largely Agnostic rather than Atheist. We believe that pondering over such things brings no benefits at all to our spiritual practice, enlightenment, and liberation from samsara.
Kinds of speech to be avoided by contemplatives
"Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to talking about lowly topics such as these -- talking about kings, robbers, ministers of state; armies, alarms, and battles; food and drink; clothing, furniture, garlands, and scents; relatives; vehicles; villages, towns, cities, the countryside; women and heroes; the gossip of the street and the well; tales of the dead; tales of diversity [philosophical discussions of the past and future], the creation of the world and of the sea, and talk of whether things exist or not -- he abstains from talking about lowly topics such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
"Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to debates such as these -- 'You understand this doctrine and discipline? I'm the one who understands this doctrine and discipline. How could you understand this doctrine and discipline? You're practicing wrongly. I'm practicing rightly. I'm being consistent. You're not. What should be said first you said last. What should be said last you said first. What you took so long to think out has been refuted. Your doctrine has been overthrown. You're defeated. Go and try to salvage your doctrine; extricate yourself if you can!' -- he abstains from debates such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue."
-- DN 2
Ten wholesome topics of conversation
"There are these ten topics of [proper] conversation. Which ten? Talk on modesty, on contentment, on seclusion, on non-entanglement, on arousing persistence, on virtue, on concentration, on discernment, on release, and on the knowledge & vision of release. These are the ten topics of conversation. If you were to engage repeatedly in these ten topics of conversation, you would outshine even the sun & moon, so mighty, so powerful -- to say nothing of the wanderers of other sects."
-- AN X.69
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"Malunkhyaputta Sutta stresses that whether the universe was created or uncreated, finite or infinite, is irrelevant to our main spiritual concerns: the cause and cessation of suffering:
"Therefore Malunkhyaputta, bear the undeclared as undeclared. Malunkhyaputta, what are the not declared? The world is eternal, is not declared by me. The world is not eternal, is not declared by me. They are not essential for the principles of the holy life, they do not lead to turning away, to detachment, to cessation, to appeasement, to realisation, to enlightenment and to extinction. Malunkhyaputta, what are the declared by me? This, is unpleasant, is declared. This, is its arising, is declared. This, is its cessation is declared. This is the path to its cessation, is declared. Malunkhyaputta, why are these declared by me? These are the essentials for the principles of the holy life; they lead to turning away, to detachment, to cessation, to appeasement, to realisation, to enlightenment and to extinction. Malunkhyaputta, I declare them." MN 64"
thnks An Eternal Now,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:What is meant is that Buddhists do not believe in a personal God (a Creator with a set of personality/a person) who created the world, the earth, the oceans, etc. It seems that God described in the old testament is very much like a personal God.
See my following post.
In my opinion, you are the one who doesnt understand anti-Semitism and neutral onliner's words, in fact, i could say almost to twisting his words.Originally posted by tiggersgd:what do u know abt anti-semitism?
just bcos some jews embraced buddhism does that mean they will not be presecuted?
thnks dudeOriginally posted by laurence82:In my opinion, you are the one who doesnt understand anti-Semitism and neutral onliner's words, in fact, i could say almost to twisting his words.
Anti Semitism is ingrained in Christianity, when Judas was potrayed as a representative of the Jews who petitioned Pontius Pilates to persecute Jesus, among other charges, the charge of being a false messiah. Anti Semitism then balrolled into two millenium of hate against the Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, which Hitler sought to persecute Jews, blaming them for Germany's woes.
Anti Semitism, therefore, do not even begin in places other than Christianity, and which Christians had already sought to rectify.
Neutral onliner's words were specific, that Buddhism do not discriminate against Jews, nor do Buddhists and Jews have any history of conflict. It doesnt mean of course that embracing Buddhism would help one seek physical protection from semi sentient beings whose main aim in life is to destroy other people.
It doesnt take much effort to read his post more carefully.