Funny SAF rules and Regulations
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brother, do u know what u are talking about?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:another situation is that..recruit lose the rounds..and lets say..
the robbers from m'sia who infiltrated tekong..
they found a 5 SAR-21 lost by recruits..
and some live "rounds"
Then the gurkhas and guards will suffer casualties..
then will be whose fault?
plese lah! recruits in tekong doing guard duty don't use SAR21! they use their own m16 drawn from their own company line.
secondly, how can one lost 5 SAR21 rifles at 1 time?
this is all nonsense...
please be carefull abt what u post in future... -
is there any regulations saying soldiers cannot book in or book out in long 4? (except going for range, exercise etc)
cos got 1 time, my camp got a BOS tell 1 fellow going home to fold his long 4 before leaving the camp. -
Originally posted by Gordonator:
its always in proper attire.
is there any regulations saying soldiers [b]cannot book in or book out in long 4? (except going for range, exercise etc)
cos got 1 time, my camp got a BOS tell 1 fellow going home to fold his long 4 before leaving the camp. [/b]
and of course, what is proper attire? your camp RSM will dictate. most of the time, it is smart 4 - for obvious reasons.
and in fact, there is NO exception to this rule - not range, exercise, whatever. -
is there any regulations saying soldiers cannot book in or book out in long 4? (except going for range, exercise etc)
Heck, reservists book in/out in long 4 all the time. I've even experienced MPs overlooking it, though they hauled me up for tying my bootlaces outside my boots.
All in all, the smart 4 is more of a dress code than regulations. It's a way to distinguish from field-training uniforms, for a start. I remember this newspaper incident in the '90s when a reservist showed up in Singapore Cricket Club & was told off by an ang-mo for wearing "overalls", & he countered back that there's a (subtle) SAF difference between folded sleeves & unfolded. Readers wrote in to admonish the uninformed foreigner too.
I also remember when I was in Sec 3-4 (circa '81/'82) when SAF 1st designated the old Temasek Green uniforms into standardized No. 3 & No. 4 dress. They distinguish them fairly simply - No. 3 = tucked in; No. 4 = tucked out - & it's something that has been informally retained for those wearing the non-camoflauged dress in Taiwan.
So view the present smart/long 4 in this light. -
i don't understand why some people like to book out in long 4? after office hours, they purposely pull down their smart 4 and walk out of the camp in long 4. wonder why they go through all that trouble?
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All these wont happen if you take some pride in your turnout.Originally posted by Moxie:Heck, reservists book in/out in long 4 all the time. I've even experienced MPs overlooking it, though they hauled me up for tying my bootlaces outside my boots. -
to look more garang?Originally posted by Gordonator:i don't understand why some people like to book out in long 4? after office hours, they purposely pull down their smart 4 and walk out of the camp in long 4. wonder why they go through all that trouble? 
actually long 4 can be more comfortable, if one has to be in no. 4. at least i feel so. -
Why some ppl pull down their sleeves to Long 4? simple... bicep too big from doing too many pullups mah, and the smart 4 choking the biceps! *lol* so when i pull it down, i'm actually being humble *grin*
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All these wont happen if you take some pride in your turnout.
That's not fair. The reality is it's more specific to the particular unit culture, where - if anything - standardization is more of the keyword. It's par for the course that personnel at division or formation levels (or units that share the same army camp with them) are expected to wear smart 4's; ditto for those PES C guys with 8-to-5:30 vocations.
But IMO combat-outfit troops aren't as strangled with such chickensh!t customs. Of course, they must be presentable when booking in/out but, attire-wise, it could be civilian (most popular), PT kit, smart 4 or long 4.
Heck, even the daytime sentry guards for these places aren't that consistent with folded or unfolded sleeves.
Again, IMO "symmetry" is the emphasis. FYI My own reservist unit designated long 4's as the standard attire (in camp, out to field, book out, et al), but it could never be consistently enforced - even officers rolled up their sleeves. & whenever the senior trainer or "visiting" colonel complained about the, ahem, non-uniform (pun) uniforms, all they verbally asked for was for everyone to conform to a coherent appearance - & nothing more.
For the record, I'm inclined to hold that smart 4's are "neater" & more orderly (particularly out in the field), but long 4's provide for more ventilation (with the cuffs unbuttoned). Some of us improvised with what could be called the "casual 4" - one-fold sleeves that cover the biceps up to the elbow - as early as the 2nd year of "active" service, but worn commonly together with the webbing & certainly not near a RSM or RP back in base. -
NSman come back to chiong suah mah! when got people come back chiong suah in smart 4?Originally posted by Moxie:Heck, reservists book in/out in long 4 all the time. I've even experienced MPs overlooking it... -
Originally posted by Gordonator:
I booked in/out in long 4 during my bmt 6 years ago....
is there any regulations saying soldiers [b]cannot book in or book out in long 4? (except going for range, exercise etc)
cos got 1 time, my camp got a BOS tell 1 fellow going home to fold his long 4 before leaving the camp. [/b]